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Msg ID: 2428024 Billy Pauch Norcia window net 1979 +0/-0     
Author:Jack Kromer
3/16/2017 4:50:18 PM


"Billy Pauch (with a window net)- Flemington 1979"
I found this Kodachrome slide interesting because I don't think I ever saw a dirt modified with a NASCAR type window net before. Maybe there were more like that and I just forgot. Heck, I don't even remember taking this photo. I have a load of "Billy Pauch in the 81" pictures in my collection, but I'd bet that I pushed the shutter button that day only because that car had a window net and it looked different. Thanks Rick Shive, Pat Norcia and Ken Borge for the info on the mysterious net in the 81. That was there because of a NJ rule that year. You had to use arm restraints or window nets. 



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Msg ID: 2428025 Billy Pauch Norcia window net 1979 +0/-0     
Author:3-Wide
3/16/2017 5:16:19 PM

Reply to: 2428024

Never saw that either.

Question:  Were there nets on both side?  Pretty sure this was a center seat car.



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Msg ID: 2428066 Billy Pauch Norcia window net 1979 +0/-0     
Author:mdy
3/16/2017 7:59:30 PM

Reply to: 2428025

No mystery here. In 1979 the NJ State Police made window nets mandatory on all racecars participating in the state of NJ. There was so much negative feedback from racers regarding the window nets they allowed arm restraints to be used as an alternative. I attended the annual meeting that year held in Trenton. 



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Msg ID: 2428074 Joe:Billy Pauch Norcia window net 1979 +0/-0     
Author:Jack Kromer
3/16/2017 9:07:02 PM

Reply to: 2428025

At first I thought it was only one side, Joe. Kind of an optical illusion here as the front screen blends in with the right side one and makes it look like just the front screen. It's tough to see even under magnification, but it does looks like the nets are on both sides here and Rick Shive said that the rule was for both sides.



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Msg ID: 2428105 Joe:Billy Pauch Norcia window net 1979 +0/-0     
Author:3-Wide
3/17/2017 7:59:07 AM

Reply to: 2428074

I would think that while they keep arms inside the car, window nets could be a big problem with a driver trying to get out of an overturned car.  And with 5 - 6 flips a night on average every Saturday night at Flemington, I would think most guys chose the arm restraint option over the window net (X 2).

Does anyone else remember/have pictures of anyone from the 1979 season running window nets on a modified/sportsman?



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Msg ID: 2428106 Joe:Billy Pauch Norcia window net 1979 +0/-0     
Author:Rick Shive
3/17/2017 8:04:12 AM

Reply to: 2428105

1979 is the year I started, I honestly don't remember anyone using nets, except late models.



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Msg ID: 2428153 Joe:Billy Pauch Norcia window net 1979 +0/-0     
Author:MH
3/17/2017 3:49:32 PM

Reply to: 2428106

Neither do I recall seeing nets, I did however use arm restraints at that time.

It appears that Greg Smith did not, 1979 Flemington.

 

Mark Horger


 



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Msg ID: 2428160 Joe:Billy Pauch Norcia window net 1979 +0/-0     
Author:redfred
3/17/2017 4:31:52 PM

Reply to: 2428153

Mark, ya know I was thinking about that picture when this topic came up. I'm 99% sure Greg was wearing arm restraints when this happened, however notice how narrow the body on the car was. I remember talking about this whole deal when we first saw this picture.



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Msg ID: 2428196 Greg Smith +0/-0     
Author:mdy
3/17/2017 8:42:03 PM

Reply to: 2428160

Greg's car was Frank Mangone's Mustang bodied #79. Looks like Emil Barron in the 22B which was a 111 formally driven by Wayne Capes. Cars changing hands sometimes several times was commonplace back in the day. BTW, after this wreck, Greg lent his motor to Johnny Leach and me to use till ours was ready.



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Msg ID: 2428214 Greg Smith +0/-0     
Author:Rick Shive
3/17/2017 10:47:23 PM

Reply to: 2428196

I think Emil's car was a former Bob Hullfish car.



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Msg ID: 2428499 Greg Smith +0/-0     
Author:redfred
3/19/2017 2:28:06 PM

Reply to: 2428196

Mark, I am not sure about Greg lending you the motor. We thrashed all week and had the car back at the track the following week for the rookie championship race.



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Msg ID: 2428356 Joe:Billy Pauch Norcia window net 1979 +0/-0     
Author:MH
3/18/2017 5:22:00 PM

Reply to: 2428160

How are you Fred?

You are probably correct and he was wearing the arm restraints.

I would never have felt comfortable driving a modified with nets on each side, the arm restraints are only marginally effective yet better than nothing. I used the advice that Frank Eppolite gave me when I was 15 years old or so, "never let go of the steering wheel when crashing". This works well with dirt modifieds, not so well in cars with rack and pinion steering however. Do not ask how I learned this. 

Mark Horger



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Msg ID: 2428469 Joe:Billy Pauch Norcia window net 1979 +0/-0     
Author:3-Wide
3/19/2017 12:29:34 PM

Reply to: 2428356

Mark - How did this one start?  Scary looking wreck, and I'll bet it was even worse from your view at the time this photo was taken!



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Msg ID: 2428664 Joe:Billy Pauch Norcia window net 1979 +0/-0     
Author:redfred
3/20/2017 5:32:07 PM

Reply to: 2428469

Joe, I'm sure Mark will jump in and correct me if I get it wrong so here goes, Greg and Mark were running 1 and 2 in the rookie race. They went down the backstretch I believe on the last lap and got to turn 3 and Emil was a lapper. Mark went low and Greg went high to get around Emil and they had the meeting of the minds on the other side of him. It ended up with both of them and maybe even Emil flipping. Greg ended up outside the track and the others stayed in the ball park. This is a photo Jack took that ended up as the centerfold of Stock Car Magazine. All the drivers made it back the next race which was the rookie championship race.

 

Disclaimer- Being that this was almost 38 yrs ago my mind may be a little foggy.



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