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Msg ID: 2490968 Daytona  +0/-0     
2/12/2018 6:57:42 AM

Speed difference between first and second qualifiers is .552 mph.  Largest difference between any two cars until you go back to about 30th place.  Now tell me someone didn't get a bigger restrictor plate!

Msg ID: 2490977 Daytona  +0/-0     
Author:md racer
2/12/2018 9:34:06 AM

Reply to: 2490968

Are you insinuating that NASCAR would do something underhanded? Shame on you. Lol! I thought the same thing when some unknown woman won the pole a few years back and then when a certain number 3 was brought back. These are called “NASCAR Moments”. 

Msg ID: 2490983 Everybody's talking bout the new kid in town +0/-0     
2/12/2018 10:02:12 AM

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It's like the Eagles song says everybody is talking about the new kids in town Sunday because they need to try to get the younger demographic to show up at the races. Most fans are getting bored with the sport and they are looking for fresh faces to put butts in the seats. Oh remember how the ford guys said they had the worst cars areo wise. Didn't look that way in the shoot out.

Msg ID: 2490985 Daytona  +0/-0     
2/12/2018 10:27:22 AM

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I put nascar to bed for good in the mid nineties. When nascar attendance and growth was becoming significant in the mid to late 60's  Mopar was killin nascar outlawed them through the rulebook.   Ford came out with the 4 valve 429 and killed everybody for a couple yrs so they outlawed them through the rulebook.......GM went on a tear for 3 and half decades and nascar turned a blind eye.  Now the cars are pretty much IROC is the biggest differentiating factor. Big $$$ multi teams, testing resources. nascar has made too many self inflicted bonehead decisions usually based on greed. The sport has been in decline for a long time. Excess TV commercials,  bizarre race rules not seen in ANY other major racing sanctioning bodies, Blatant favoritism, phantom caution flags and  inconsistant penalties have driven away much of the fanbase . I always wonder if the thought ever crossed the powers that be to go BACK to the business model that grew the sport and sustained it very well financially for a very long time.  What we have now is a cluster dud. Its nearly impossible to watch a race in its entirety without asking questions about whats going on. The upside is that it has helped local short track racing. TY  for that Nascar.  The nascar swamp needs draining if its going to surive and thrive again.

Msg ID: 2491006 Daytona  +0/-0     
Author:Roger Laureno
2/12/2018 12:54:33 PM

Reply to: 2490985

Now that they run a second round of time trials for the top 12 (for whatever reason) ,I think it would be a great opportunity for NASCAR to prove that there is no funny business going on with the plates. Just have the top 12 remove their plates and hand them back in,shuffle them up and hand then back out again before they run the 2nd round.  EASY 

Msg ID: 2491018 Daytona  +0/-0     
Author:md racer
2/12/2018 2:14:44 PM

Reply to: 2491006

The Boss 429 was not a four valve engine. The 427 SOHC FE engine was a two valve engine. The only four valve Ford engine during the ‘60’s was the Indy car engine that drove the Offy away.

in 1965 the Chrysler Hemi was not outlawed per se. the teams could have used it in the Plymouth Fury or its Dodge equivalenT. It could not be used in the Belvedere or Coronet because they were considered intermediates like the Fairlane and Chevelle. In addition the winged Mopars were not outlawed in 1971 as the media often says. They were perfectly legal but only with a 303 cubic inch engine. They were made non-competitive not outlawed. 

Msg ID: 2491047 Daytona Winged Car/Small Engine +0/-0     
2/12/2018 4:45:33 PM

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Saw Richard Brooks in a red & gold #22 with a wing at Daytona in 1971.  I was 10 years old at the time and didn't know what was under the hood, but knew it sounded different than all the rest coming through the tri-oval.  Later learned that it was a 340 turned into a 305.

Speaking of the #22, the car has been found and is in the process of being restored:


Msg ID: 2491051 Daytona Winged Car/Small Engine +0/-0     
2/12/2018 5:00:00 PM

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That 305 was called the lunch box motor because it was so small.

Msg ID: 2491057 Thanks Joe, Interesting read ! (NT) +0/-0     
Author:Charlie Goodman
2/12/2018 5:30:23 PM

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Msg ID: 2491078 Thanks Joe, Interesting read ! (NT) +0/-0     
Author:Greg Collins
2/12/2018 6:51:39 PM

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Msg ID: 2491143 Restrictor Plates and the pole +0/-0     
Author:Kevin Mc
2/12/2018 9:52:31 PM

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Ive been hearing for literally 30 years now how this or that guy got the "good" plate.   There is no need to make sure the Favorite son (or daughter) of the year has a plate thats just a wee bit larger when THEY are doing the timing and scoring.  Can anyone REALLY say a car that went 2.5 miles a  barely measurable fraction of a second faster or slower?  Im not saying they can, would or have done such a thing but it would probably be a piece of cake to decide car number X was going to win the pole and just set up the software to make sure that does happen.  Who would know?  How could anyone know?

Msg ID: 2491147 Restrictor Plates and the pole +0/-0     
Author:Rick Shive
2/12/2018 10:07:36 PM

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Kevin, I’ve been saying that for years. They can make those numbers anything they want.

Msg ID: 2491292 Restrictor Plates and the pole +0/-0     
2/13/2018 3:48:12 PM

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I would say that Kevin has the most realistic scenario of how they actually "hand out" the big plate.