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Msg ID: 2565902 Stew in Victory Lane at Middletown +0/-0     
4/14/2019 8:40:20 AM

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Msg ID: 2566034 Stew in Victory Lane at Middletown +0/-0     
Author:Uncle Tom
4/14/2019 7:06:41 PM

Reply to: 2565902

Estimated time of picture......1:37 am


Msg ID: 2566051 Stew in Victory Lane at Middletown +0/-0     
4/14/2019 8:24:50 PM

Reply to: 2566034

Pretty close on the time there Uncle T... Actually, the time stamp on the photo was 12:54am.

I know I'm a lightweight anymore, but that's way past my bedtime.

I look at it this way as a fan in the spectator stands...  Tracks have my attention for 3 hours.  Let me know as a fan when I should arrive to see the best 3 hours of fan entertainment and I'll give it a try.  If the action is really that good, that compelling... that exciting... during the 3 hour period, I'll manage to find a 5 minute window to run down during a yellow to grab a burger and a soda and bring it back up to my seat to eat while watching the show...  Just tell me what time to get there to enjoy the best 3 hours that you have to offer.  If it's a solid 3 hour show, and I got to see the completed feature for the headlining division, I'll be back regardless of how many divisions, or how many other features there were still to run...  (Hate to be held hostage, yet some tracks still haven't figured that out, insisting on running the modified feature last or next to last.)

I don't get out there as much as I like because of the ride (like I said.... I'm a lightweight these days), but Grandview's regular Saturday night program seemed to always deliver on this the times that I was there.  Would start right at 7:30 and bang the show out... throw in a 20 minute intermission/track prep, and the modified feature was usually done before 10 and the sportsman not too long after that. 

Wall Stadium gets all the prelim's out of the way before 7pm, and then start their features (usually 5 different classes) sometime around 7:15 or so.  On most nights, I've see the headlining division feature, and if I choose, can be headed to the car within 2.5 - 3 hours, with maybe part of a feature still wrapping up.  When that happens, I always feel like I got good value and am likely to return the following week.

Msg ID: 2566130 3 Hours +0/-0     
Author:Kevin Mc
4/15/2019 6:33:22 AM

Reply to: 2566051

Bowman Gray does it right.  4 or 5 divisions every Satruday and its always a features only show.  They consistently start dead on at 8:00 and run the races off quickly with very quickly with very little downtime between races for Victory Lane cermonies.     Modifieds are the class most are there to see and I think theyre usually the 2nd or 3rd race of the evening.  I cannot recall ever leaving there after 11:00.   Its not true that they get 17,000 fans every week but even on one of their off nights Id estimate they sell more tickets than most Southern tracks that run those 7 hour shows sell all year  so Id say running a quick 2.5-3 hour show works.  Its ridiculous to assume youre going to find enough people willing  to be out until 3am every weekend.

Msg ID: 2566470 3 Hours +0/-0     
4/16/2019 3:17:05 PM

Reply to: 2566130

The few Southern Tracks I have been to, all time trial and start straight up...BORING! 

Msg ID: 2566577 3 Hours +0/-0     
Author:Kevin Mc
4/17/2019 7:52:44 AM

Reply to: 2566470

Yeah they love their time trials down here.    And they love straight up starts.    I worked at one dirt track down here that time trialed the Crate Late Models every week and lined up their feature straight up from the time trials.   I cannot recall any winner who didnt come from the first couple of rows.  Theyd probably race somewhere else if they were made to start in the 5th or 6th row.   So short sighted because it made for a predictable race every single week.  Imagine how many wins Pauch or Horton would have if they were given the pole every week.

Msg ID: 2566585 3 Hours +0/-0     
4/17/2019 8:25:00 AM

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Langley comes to mind. Four classes, all time trialed, the pole guy won each race, except for the street stock division. That guy started mid pack  and was caught cheating, so the pole guy was awarded the win. It was freight train in every division.

That had to be in 95 or so, because Dale Jr. was there in the street stocks and did not qualify.

Msg ID: 2566600 Kinser +0/-0     
4/17/2019 10:01:20 AM

Reply to: 2566585
How many races would Kinser have won if he hadn't started up front?

Msg ID: 2566618 Kinser +0/-0     
4/17/2019 11:41:23 AM

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 a lot

Msg ID: 2567157 Kinser +0/-0     
4/20/2019 1:21:39 PM

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Hey old school,  Kinser didn't turn a lap in a dirt champ car at Eldora, got in it and started last, and won. He did it against USAC's best too. Don't ever understimate his abilities.

Msg ID: 2567170 Kinser +0/-0     
Author:Rick Shive
4/20/2019 2:13:37 PM

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Kinser has 690 WoO A main wins, plus many in other sanctions and non sanctioned. Even if you take 200 wins away by starting further back, still over 500 wins.

Msg ID: 2567250 Kinser +0/-0     
4/21/2019 6:38:23 AM

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Kinser is a great driver no question but he was also had a big money sponsor and out spent most of his competition,(which he worked hard for,not a criticism here) but non the less is why he started up front most.of the time. I always found it to watch the fast guys come from the back to win than the fast guys starting up front.

Msg ID: 2567331 Kinser +0/-0     
Author:John Mc
4/21/2019 5:14:58 PM

Reply to: 2567250
For many/most of those wins he also had a guy named Karl Kinser.