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Msg ID: 2732029 New Egypt Speedway Cancelled 6/11/22    
Author:New Egypt Speedway
6/11/2022 4:09:19 PM

Due to the impending weather forecast for this afternoon, speedway management has decided to cancel tonight's events. The High Gear Towing Crate Series will use Saturday, June 18th as a rain date. See everyone next week.



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Msg ID: 2732109 New Egypt Speedway Cancelled 6/11/22    
Author:RuCu
6/12/2022 7:14:51 AM

Reply to: 2732029
Join NASCAR. Switch to Tuesday night with a Thursday raindate. You will get 2 shots a week to get your show in.


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Msg ID: 2732141 New Egypt Speedway Cancelled 6/11/22    
Author:Sprint93
6/12/2022 12:45:49 PM

Reply to: 2732109

Hate to say this, but under current ownership I don't see this track lasting much longer.  I am not a fan of Doug Rose, but he is doing a much better job down the road, and drawing the cars and fans away from New Egypt.  New Egypt keeps cancelling for no apparent reason.  A couple of weeks ago they cancelled the USACec cars on Thursday based on a weather forcast for Saturday. Didn't cancel their own classes until Saturday morning.  Guess what, it never rained.  Last week they cancelled URC's scheduled appearence on June 18th due to a scheduling conflict?  Guess Fred didn't want to pay the URC fees.  And now this, when there were already competitors on the grounds.  Not leaving that warm, fuzzy feeling with racers or fans.  I personally haven't been to New Egypt after what he did years ago to TSRS.  Hard to support an owner who only thinks about himself, and not the people who put the fans in the stands.



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Msg ID: 2732177 New Egypt Speedway Cancelled 6/11/22    
Author:3-Wide.
6/12/2022 8:50:37 PM

Reply to: 2732141

I have no issue with any track cancelling for any reason that they decide. 

It's there sandbox.  It's their investment.  It's their risk.

What I do have an issue with is the wording given as the reason for the cancellation which was:  "Due to the impending weather forecast for this afternoon, speedway management has decided to cancel tonight's events."

Now, I always thought I knew what the word "impending" meant, but just to be sure, I looked it up online and here's the first 3 definitions that I found:

impending:  

  • occurring or likely to occur soon
  • about to happen; imminent:
  • happening or likely to happen soon

Like I said, if any track wants to cancel for whatever reasons, it's their deal... 

For those that live out of the area, I'll just say that I drove by the track on my way up from the shore a little after noon on Saturday (see below), and having watched/listened to the forecast provided on Friday, and the forecast provided earlier in the day on Saturday, I am challenged by the use of the word "impending."


It didn't rain here yesterday or last night (10 miles NE of the track), and I just spoke to a friend that lives in New Egypt (2 miles from the track) and they said it never rained their either (afternoon or at night.)

Like I said.... I have no issue with a track making a personal or a business decision to not run.  I do have a problem with juicing up a communications release by saying that there was an "impending weather forecast"....

I'll leave it at if the source that the track was using for predicting the night's weather did indicate that the weather was "impending", at the very least, maybe somebody should use a better weather app/better process for determining what is "impending" and what isn't.  If not, and if the decision was made to cancel for something other than the reason provided, then next time, save us the smoke and just say, "We have made the decision to cancel tonight's racing program."

I hope for all NJ tracks (and for the competitors, staff, and for the few of us that still move things around on our Saturday's in order to try to still attend races in person) that the remainder of 2022 brings them nothing but 70 to 85 degree Saturday's, with zero chance of rain. 

If not, and if they don't want to run for whatever reason they may have....  just cancel and leave it at that.



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Msg ID: 2732193 Cancelled, No Problem     
Author:Marty 13R
6/13/2022 1:29:29 AM

Reply to: 2732109

This is a business decision.  At $5 a gallon I don't like taking off from work just to drive to the track and back.  Final deciision must be made by 1:00 pm.  Then it is up to us to decide if we want to go and chance a rainout. I  support the track as much as I can.  But this should not have happened. 



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Msg ID: 2732211 Cancelled, No Problem     
Author:kjeyres
6/13/2022 8:51:31 AM

Reply to: 2732193

I was kidding with Joe last Tuesday and said Wall was rained out. He laughed, it came true, minus the rain.

When I promoted New Egypt in 1991, we relied on Maguire Air Force base as our weather. We were fortunate to be so close to an Air Force base with the "official" weather. It was about 40% accurate. Compared to today, what a difference. Back then, your Tex Antoine type weathermen says "30% showers" meant 70% of your crowd did not come.  It's an outdoor, expensive sport. It's the most expensive outdoor sport that relies on a forecast. Baseball, football, soccer, golf all can pay in the rain. Racing, as we do it, can't.

It costs a race track, rough number, $10-15,000 to open the gates. If a car hits the track, insurance is not transferable. Most food keeps, if the track owns the food, some gets thrown out. Advertising is a complete loss, and back then, the whores at the Asbury Park Press could care less.  Today, a track website and an email database is so much cheaper.

Leave some thoughts for others.



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Msg ID: 2732226 Cancelled, No Problem     
Author:112racing
6/13/2022 11:19:36 AM

Reply to: 2732211

there were about 20 race trailers lined up at the gate and fans lined up at the ticket office when they canceled at 4 pm.

it ticked off a lot of people.

last several weeks there have not been many fans in the stands, they run out of food within the 1st hour.

when Danny Bouc won the championship,  it was supposed to pay 10k and they gave him 5k citing rona

no Banquets for the last 2 years

payouts to drivers are taking at least a week and a half.

Bridgeport and Deyo show there's an $ envelope for the drivers before they leave the track.

they have already lost 5 or 6 modifieds that aren't coming back and a few that are right now top 5 in points are contemplating the same. 



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Msg ID: 2732227 Cancelled, Just a clarification     
Author:D.Wolfe-358
6/13/2022 11:19:44 AM

Reply to: 2732211

" I was kidding with Joe last Tuesday and said Wall was rained out. He laughed, it came true, minus the rain. "

It rained at Wall Stadium around 1:30 pm on Saturday. Route 34 was soaking wet about a mile above Monmouth Airport. When I drove by. 

The National Weather Service issued an alert at 2:00 pm for servere Thunder Storm Warning for 4pm for Point Pleasent N.J. I just happend to be at the Point in that time frame. The traffic in the area was light and the beaches did not look crowed from what I saw. 

It rained in Manahawkin at 4pm and supposedly at 7:20 pm at Wall Stadium. "https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=5462191030498504&set=p.5462191030498504&type=3"

I'm not lumping the two tracks together. However Wall would of taken a fianancial bath if they tried to race. That is just my .02 

 



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Msg ID: 2732418 Don    
Author:kjeyres
6/15/2022 8:15:16 AM

Reply to: 2732227

It's good Wall can cancel based on forecast, but any chance of rain during a day, makes it a "day" with rain. The 195 corridor across the state is a weather divider for New Jersey. Seen many times heading to Wall, rain all the way there from the North, let up by the airport and no rain at Wall Stadium. Jenny Nichol had a connection to the weather Gods, the new regime, I'm not sure they do.



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Msg ID: 2732421 Don    
Author:John Mc
6/15/2022 8:39:35 AM

Reply to: 2732418
So did Paul Kuhl. Seems like no matter what the weather, forecast, etc 95% of the time they got the show in and it was full. Until they paved it.


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Msg ID: 2732228 Cancelled, No Problem     
Author:Kevin Mc
6/13/2022 11:20:22 AM

Reply to: 2732211
During the Grosso era I can remember a couple times where they held hot laps back for a while to see if the rain held off. Let one race car on the track and it rains you're on the hook for insurance. There was one night when they were moments away from sending cars out and I saw something somewhere that said rain was imminent. I told them to not let cars out yet. It rained. They had to cancel immediately. I felt good about my "executive decision " going home that day.


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Msg ID: 2732247 Cancelled, No Problem     
Author:Pee Wee Fan
6/13/2022 1:14:55 PM

Reply to: 2732228

I agree with 3Wide Joe that its Fred Vahlsing's baby and he's got to do what's right for NES.  I am also not have not been a fan of New Egypt since they disqualified "The Kids Kid" last year.  My 3 sons took me to that race (they are not big race fans) and were very impressed when Billy shook all their hands "and thanked them for coming out".  Great ambassador for the sport, and New Egypt.  I've been to New Egypt several times this year and ate a ton of dust.  I know its a dirt track but I can't remember it being that dusty.  Don't plan to go back for awhile.  When I go now, its to Bridgeport, sometimes Grandview.  Ironic that Billy Jr picked up his first Bport win via the winner being disqualified.  I feel bad for Davey Sammons but maybe the racing gods felt Billy jr was owed one.  Scott Ely



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Msg ID: 2732251 Cancelled, No Problem     
Author:raceasauruss
6/13/2022 1:27:36 PM

Reply to: 2732211

NES has a good problem that other tracks don't have.  Weather, fan attendance, and car counts make no difference in the bottom line anymore. The lucrative Amazon trailer attendance more than makes for any financial pitfalls from a cancelled race. They have had many management woes that have plagued them. The track prep issues have been resolved for at least 3 yrs now.  Its hard to gain back fans and teams once they have been wronged.  I will still attend  there and other tracks, I'm a lifer. I went to Bridgeport and  saw many NES regulars there. It is what it is



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Msg ID: 2732286 New Egypt Speedway Cancelled 6/11/22    
Author:Stockcaracer2x
6/13/2022 7:07:41 PM

Reply to: 2732029

When I raced at P'ville in the 70's  I believe the pits opened  somewhere in the middle of the afternoon if I called at noon and it was raining in Vineland they would almost always tell me  that they were racing. When i got there and they cancelled the races, I never got mad at the promoter i was angrier about not getting my weekly thrill of driving that stock car . I was a young man and not a grumpy old man like I am today.



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Msg ID: 2732300 New Egypt Speedway Cancelled 6/11/22    
Author:Marty 13R
6/13/2022 10:16:03 PM

Reply to: 2732286

All I want is a decision at a reasonable time. Four-o'clock was not a reasonable time. 



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Msg ID: 2732310 New Egypt Speedway Cancelled 6/11/22    
Author:ED
6/14/2022 8:26:11 AM

Reply to: 2732300

I agree that tracks can cancel for any reason or no reason BUT you can't post a schedule of events at 1:54 and then bag it at 4 pm because of an iffy forecast when spectators are already there and teams have spent over 6 bucks a gallon on diesel fuel to get their haulers there (and businessmen like Marty left their businesses 'early' to get there). In my view, it shows a lack of respect for others' time, $, etc. Just my opinion. 



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