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Msg ID: 2791517 Same Winner Discussion    
Author:T-Hem
8/24/2023 8:06:25 PM

If one person seems to be always winning, does it matter to you?  I saw recently where people kept complaining that a certain driver was winning all the time.  Maybe the driver is just on a hot streak or has figured something out that others are not there yet?

As a follow-up, do you think people are too quick to judge that the car is illegal and do not give proper credit to the driver?

 

 



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Msg ID: 2791565 Same Winner Discussion    
Author:Tom From Tuckahoe
8/25/2023 9:03:32 AM

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I think that there are certain drivers (and crews) that are a cut above the rest. 

With cookie cutter cars in all classes, the teams have access to the same parts and components.

Money and experience are a large part of the equation.

I like to see if a driver on hot streak continue as long as he can.  I enjoy watching them come from deep inside the field to the front.  It makes it exciting.

I often wonder what a top driver must think when he is doing everything right and the driver with the hot hand goes by him.  It must be extremely deflating.

I do not like that racing has become all about qualifying,  It is a wonder that teams do not pack up when they qualify poorly.  The race often is over before it begins.

Pleae forgive me.  On the flip side, I have a Nascar driver that I hope does not finish well because I get tired of his complaining and his excuses.   

 



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Msg ID: 2791574 Same Winner Discussion    
Author:Pee Wee Fan
8/25/2023 10:31:37 AM

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T-HEM - Great topic.  I used to get "a little out of joint" when one driver would dominate.  But now I feel its even sweeter when your guy beats "that guy" (aka the unbeatable one).  I mostly attend New Egypt so, to me, Ryan Godown has hit on something there as he did at Bridgeport last year.  And it doesn't hurt to be a pretty darn good wheel man.  On a bigger level, Matt Sheppard certainly has found something to make him look like Superman compared to his competition for the past several years now.  I can remember Stan Ploski in the Deasey 707 dominating East Windsor in the late 60s, maybe early 70s. I believe Ploski may have won 7 or 8 features in a row. Back to today, I don't the current "dominators" are cheating, and yes I think people seemed to be rushing to judglment.  They've got "it" (as in shocks, coils, chassis) figured out.  Also, maybe they are working their tails off to saty on top.  My mom always used to say, "All kings topple."  I'm a firm believer in that.  Scott Ely  



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Msg ID: 2791601 Same Winner Discussion    
Author:kjeyres
8/25/2023 1:10:39 PM

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On the touring series, STSS and Super Dirt Car for the Modifieds, I don't mind domination, because you are racing with basically all the best and mostly not at your home track, so have at it. Likewise for all national touring series.

For the local tracks, one of the worst things is a driver with complete domination. Good for them of course, but at the end of the year and you had, say, 20 races and one person won 18, it's not good. In the South, I see many tracks where one person wins all the races, but than again he only races against 6 people, BORING!

I work with a guy who at times has dominated (not lately though, but this will change).  The fingers are always pointed, but I guarantee you, being closely involved, there is no cheating going on. (Maybe some ingenious rule interpretations in the fuel cell area, lol). When you win and win a lot, you are teched so often, there is no room to cheat. It's so expensive and when you race for a living, DQ's do not pay the bills.

 



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Msg ID: 2791652 Same Winner Discussion    
Author:Jd57
8/25/2023 6:27:30 PM

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Agree with pee wee fan & d wolfe cream rises to the top. Lot as of rules today, if I remember this right Howie had a 19 hundred lbs. car with a motor cycle battery in it.  Then they made the rule it has to start the car. Always hard work! Saw Cale Yarborough win Dover lapping the field twice never happened again



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Msg ID: 2791604 Same Winner Discussion    
Author:Opperman4x
8/25/2023 1:13:58 PM

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I gave up F-1, too much Red Bull stinking up the show.



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Msg ID: 2791629 Same Winner Discussion    
Author:ED
8/25/2023 3:27:34 PM

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Some of it now relates to the crates/sportsmen and whether a big winner should have to move up--Joe Toth is the best "local" example and think he was torn down at New Egypt recently and passed. A tough call but I always viewed that group as one for learning and development so after domination, I think you should have to move up--JMO. 



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Msg ID: 2791635 Same Winner Discussion    
Author:D.Wolfe-358
8/25/2023 4:03:02 PM

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Every track will have a percentage of people complaining if a driver goes on a hot streak, and their favorite driver is not. Certain drivers will always be the bad guys, worse if they dominate. 

Not sure how many are accused of cheating nowadays with tech and clearly defined rule books. Back in the day, there were fewer rules that led to misinterpretation or stretched beyond the limit. It also depended on how tracks enforced the rules. Drivers and teams will always look for ways to go faster. The Cream always rises to the top. 



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Msg ID: 2791669 Same Winner Discussion    
Author:Rick Shive
8/25/2023 10:39:52 PM

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Two current complaints are Kyle Larson and Freddie Rahmer. I've heard some suggest that Larson has a bigger engine than everyone else (which is ridiculous). Rahmer on the other hand is accused of having "no competition". The chaos currently in Central Pa sprint racing has helped him. Macri lost his ride (or quit, depending on who you believe), Marks and Dietrich spend a bit of time on the road, and Dewease, besides losing the Kreitz ride, races part time and hasn't won since. 
Somebody mentioned making drivers in lower classes moving up. I never agreed with rules like that. My friend Jeff Hanna won too many times and had the option of moving to modified or racing in Pennsylvania, or quitting.

He quit. 



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Msg ID: 2791737 Same Winner Discussion    
Author:3-Wide
8/26/2023 1:47:13 PM

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I appreciate the big winners, but I am definitely guilty of always rooting for the underdog... even when a big winner that I really like/respect is battling the underdog....  I still root for the underdog thinking that it may be his only shot at a win, while the big winner will probably have many more opportunities.

Hating on big winners is nothing new...  Seen it with Foyt... Andretti....  Petty....  Ploski....  Pauch....Earnhart... Gordon.... Jimmie Johnson. 

The thing about people hating on big winners is that if a big winner ends up in a long drought or has some other carreer setback, those same exact people that enjoyed booing the former big winner, will be the first to applaud the comeback win.. 

Seems we like to root for folks on their way up....  And then when they get too successful we like to boo them....  And then if they fall on hardtimes, we want to be there to applaud when they put it all back together and return to glory.



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