Msg ID:
2800986 |
Flippington - Sprint - ID Needed |
Author:3-Wide
12/10/2023 3:44:47 PM
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Note: I'm not 100% sure that the 2nd photo from the top is part of this same sequence/same car, as the negatives received were in small strips/might not be in the correct order as scanned. I figure you guys and figure it out for us. There seems to be too much RR tire left in the bottom few pictures for it to be the same car.... (?) Also, the car in most of the pictures has unique header turnouts, and there not really that clear in the 2nd from the top image. Images by Nelson Ivins - Provided to The Vault by Nelson Ivins and Bobby Pickell Jr:
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Msg ID:
2800987 |
Flippington - Sprint - ID Needed |
Author:John Mc
12/10/2023 4:00:39 PM
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Are you sure that's Flemington? |
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Msg ID:
2800989 |
Flippington - Sprint - ID Needed |
Author:3-Wide
12/10/2023 4:06:07 PM
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No. 45+ year old negatives. Nothing marked. Could be anywhere.. and anyone. |
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Msg ID:
2801001 |
Flippington - Sprint - ID Needed |
Author:Rick Shive
12/10/2023 8:32:29 PM
Reply to: 2800989
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I'm not convinced that's Flemington. No idea of drivers. |
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Msg ID:
2801005 |
Maybe a Clue.... |
Author:3-Wide
12/10/2023 9:31:00 PM
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Here's two more that were most likely in the same batch of negatives that were scanned/coverted to digital as the images posted above. (Maybe the same track as above?) There's more background here, so maybe it's a clue to what track or tracks it is? Like I said - nothing is marked, so it's up to you guys to help solve....
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Msg ID:
2801006 |
Maybe a Clue.... |
Author:Rick Shive
12/10/2023 10:36:11 PM
Reply to: 2801005
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Now that's Flemington. 7 is Leroy Felty, still don't know flipper. |
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Msg ID:
2801013 |
Maybe a Clue.... |
Author:kjeyres
12/11/2023 8:32:33 AM
Reply to: 2801006
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By the scrapes on the belly pan, it is the same car. That's a hard hit!!! |
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Msg ID:
2801053 |
Question for Rick |
Author:3-Wide
12/11/2023 2:53:27 PM
Reply to: 2801006
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Are you saying that the just the picture with Leroy Felty in the #7 is Flemington, or are you saying that both, the picture with Leroy Felty, and the picture of the #5 upside down with the tent in the background is also Flemington? |
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Msg ID:
2801070 |
Question for Rick |
Author:Rick Shive
12/11/2023 5:40:10 PM
Reply to: 2801053
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I initially thought this was the same crash, but it's not. So for sure the picture with Felty is Flemington, but I don't think the other is. If it's Flemington, I can't figure out what the people in background are sitting on. |
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Msg ID:
2801073 |
Question for Rick |
Author:Jd57
12/11/2023 5:49:46 PM
Reply to: 2801070
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Rick think its Flemington turn 3 low bleachers before they put in the high bleachers. |
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Msg ID:
2801039 |
Maybe a Clue.... |
Author:badboyz
12/11/2023 12:02:30 PM
Reply to: 2801005
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Back stretch Flemington during fair week ! |
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Msg ID:
2801048 |
Flippington - Sprint - ID Needed |
Author:Legend
12/11/2023 1:38:36 PM
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Looks like Flemingtons 3rd turn before the bleachers were put in. You could back your vehicle up to the fence, same people parked in the same spot every week |
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Msg ID:
2801052 |
So... Two Questions: |
Author:3-Wide
12/11/2023 2:49:02 PM
Reply to: 2800986
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Question #1: Do you guys who are participating in the thread think that the picture of the #44 (in the lead in post of this thread) is definitely the same car in the other pictures, and belongs in this sequence? As mentioned, I'm not really sure as most of the time I have to take individual images and try to figure out which ones below with which...and in what order. Question #2: Do you guys think that the pictures of the car in the lead in post to this thread (#44/car on it's side) is from Flemington? Here's a few more images from the same photographer/possibly around the same time period that are from Flemington, that may or may not help with figuring out the location. Here's two pictures from the above thread:
...and here's a few from the same photographer:
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Msg ID:
2801058 |
So... Two Questions: |
Author:kjeyres
12/11/2023 3:36:33 PM
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Same car
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Msg ID:
2801065 |
So... Two Questions: |
Author:3-Wide
12/11/2023 4:09:43 PM
Reply to: 2801058
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.... but the question is, is it the same car as the #44 (where you can't see the belly pan?) |
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Msg ID:
2801071 |
So... Two Questions: |
Author:Roger Laureno
12/11/2023 5:41:54 PM
Reply to: 2801065
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There are 2 things that make me think the # 44 is not the same car as the flipping car in the other photos.
I don't see the big exhaust turn outs on the end of the headers
The triangle design on top of the wing of the 44 is different from the other car |
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Msg ID:
2801072 |
So... Two Questions: |
Author:Roger Laureno
12/11/2023 5:47:10 PM
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nevermind there is no shot of the top of the wing in the other pics.
Ken Reebe's 45 ( maybe Ollie Butler driving) tangles with Freddy D |
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Msg ID:
2801059 |
So... Two Questions: |
Author:clevco
12/11/2023 3:38:55 PM
Reply to: 2801052
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Pics 2-7 same building in back, 1st ??? |
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Msg ID:
2801084 |
Flippington--catch fence |
Author:Jack Kromer
12/11/2023 9:45:42 PM
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That's the Flemington pole-with-angle-iron-triangle style catch fence there in that first pic.
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Msg ID:
2801095 |
Flippington--catch fence |
Author:Rick Shive
12/12/2023 8:23:09 AM
Reply to: 2801084
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Looks like it is! Different angles really throws things off. |
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Msg ID:
2801103 |
So... I think we're down to one question: |
Author:3-Wide
12/12/2023 11:23:14 AM
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If we're pretty sure that this is the 3rd turn at Flemington before they put in the bleachers (by the way, thank you to EVERYONE that responded!), then the question that still remains is, is the car in all 3 images below the same car/same incident?
Like I said, the negatives are not numbered/sequenced, so just trying to put the images in the correct place, and correct order, as it happened 45+ years ago!
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Msg ID:
2801114 |
So... I think we're down to one question: |
Author:D.Wolfe-358
12/12/2023 12:57:41 PM
Reply to: 2801103
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I would say they are all from the same wreck. In the middle picture, the back wheel has most of the rim exposed, and the one front wheel is ripped from the car. In the bottom picture, you can see the front wheel is missing in the photo and the back wheel has the tire still attached. However, it looks like a big chunk of the rubber is ripped from the wheel, behind the back of the car. |
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Msg ID:
2801115 |
So... I think we're down to one question: |
Author:indy-legs
12/12/2023 1:25:17 PM
Reply to: 2801114
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Also, check the left side nerf bar. Looks the same. |
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Msg ID:
2801116 |
So... I think we're down to one question: |
Author:kjeyres
12/12/2023 1:39:00 PM
Reply to: 2801114
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If it's not the same wreck, I hope this guy quit racing after the second! |
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Msg ID:
2801168 |
ID answers |
Author:Rick Shive
12/13/2023 6:06:19 PM
Reply to: 2800986
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First off, the two sets of pictures are two different crashes. The 44 is either Eddie Apple, or Bill Heywood. Both were before my time with URC, and each answer came from reliable sources. The number 5 flipping in the other set of pictures is Monty Wernett, and that answer came from Monty himself. And the number 7 is Len Seroka, not Leroy Felty. Easy confusion because both Leroy and Len each used an open face helmet into the early eighties, as well as using numbe 7. |
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Msg ID:
2801173 |
ID answers |
Author:3-Wide
12/13/2023 7:51:02 PM
Reply to: 2801168
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Rick,
Is the car laying on its side with the driver crawling out the #44 of Eddie Apple?
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Msg ID:
2801179 |
ID answers |
Author:Rick Shive
12/13/2023 9:19:09 PM
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Yes, either Apple or Heywood, depending on who was right. |
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Msg ID:
2801197 |
ID answers |
Author:3-Wide
12/14/2023 12:11:57 PM
Reply to: 2801179
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Thanks Rick - I'll label it as "Flemington" and will put both drivers names as possibilities. |
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