Msg ID: 2837361 This Weekend's Question: The Second Time Around.... +0/-0     
Author:3-Wide
1/11/2025 10:39:14 PM

This weekend's question (suggested by Pee Wee Fan):

Name a race car that had some level of success with one owner, (provide car info/#, color, car owner, etc.,) that was then sold to another owner, who also had some level of success with the same car.  (Car may have retained its original look, or may of had a new paint job..and/or a different #... and/or a different driver... and maybe even a different body, but was really the same car as that owned by the original owner.

(By "success" we're loosely defining it as a car that possibly had feature wins in both versions/for both the old owner/team, and the new owner/team.)

1st Time Around:  Original car/owner (#, color, car, driver) ____________________________

2nd Time Around:  (#, color, car, driver) ________________________________

If needed (to help more of us remember), let us know the track(s) the car competed at.  Also, if there was a "3rd Time Around".... or even a "4th Time Around," please provide that info as well!

Thanks, and have fun thinking of a few examples...



Return-To-Index  
 
Msg ID: 2837365 This Weekend's Question: The Second Time Around.... +0/-0     
Author:Lester Potts
1/11/2025 3:06:41 AM

Reply to: 2837361

1-Kenny Brightbill  Red,White,Blue Pinto #19

2-Johnny Kozak Gold,Brown Pinto #31




Return-To-Index  
 
Msg ID: 2837367 This Weekend's Question: The Second Time Around.... +0/-0     
Author:fatdaddy11D
1/11/2025 7:28:52 AM

Reply to: 2837365
Chamberlain 76 coupe then Will Cagle 24


Return-To-Index  
 
Msg ID: 2837437 This Weekend's Question: The Second Time Around.... +0/-0     
Author:Dirtmod#9.
1/12/2025 9:58:01 AM

Reply to: 2837365
The Bentley Warren white 44 coach next driven by Don Diffendorf as a white (26)? And the red,white, and blue S-360


Return-To-Index  
 
Msg ID: 2837438 This Weekend's Question: The Second Time Around.... +0/-0     
Author:Dirtmod#9.
1/12/2025 9:59:29 AM

Reply to: 2837365
The Bentley Warren white 44 coach next driven by Don Diffendorf as a white (26)? And the red,white, and blue S-360


Return-To-Index  
 
Msg ID: 2837369 This Weekend's Question: The Second Time Around.... +0/-0     
Author:Opperman4x
1/11/2025 7:41:22 AM

Reply to: 2837361

Buzzie Reutimann, red white and blue 00 coupe 1970.

Danny Mitchel white and black #1 1971 won 3 races at EWS.



Return-To-Index  
 
Msg ID: 2837375 This Weekend's Question: The Second Time Around.... +0/-0     
Author:elf30
1/11/2025 9:33:54 AM

Reply to: 2837361
1 Richie Evans orange # 61/ 2 Jimmy Spencer blue #24


Return-To-Index  
 
Msg ID: 2837376 This Weekend's Question: The Second Time Around.... +0/-0     
Author:Pee Wee Fan
1/11/2025 10:14:08 AM

Reply to: 2837375

Bobby Rossell's red #4 sedan that became Jackie Moschera's blue & white S-1 in the late 60s.     Scott Ely 



Return-To-Index  
 
Msg ID: 2837381 This Weekend's Question: The Second Time Around.... +0/-0     
Author:Stymie
1/11/2025 11:25:26 AM

Reply to: 2837376
Bob Rossells 56 coupe Bob Torekys 14


Return-To-Index  
 
Msg ID: 2837387 This Weekend's Question: The Second Time Around.... +0/-0     
Author:kjeyres
1/11/2025 12:00:00 PM

Reply to: 2837376

Maynard Troyer red #6 to Gil Hearne red #12.  They did that three times, maybe four! Both won many races in it 

Richie Evan’s orange 61 to Tom Green orange and black  71. Tom won it and Richie won it as the 61 and the 71 at New Egypt 



Return-To-Index  
 
Msg ID: 2837384 Bob Rossell #56/Bob McCullough #89.... +0/-0     
Author:Steve Cameron
1/11/2025 11:44:26 AM

Reply to: 2837361

I believe Bob McCullough bought this car off of Bob Rossell in 1973. He won his only modified feature at East Windsor in it in April of '74

12.07.02_056_ROS_EWS_0070_1



Return-To-Index  
 
Msg ID: 2837413 Bob Rossell #56/Bob McCullough #89.... +0/-0     
Author:3-Wide
1/11/2025 5:36:37 PM

Reply to: 2837384

Steven - Any photographer info on that great shot of the #89?  It actually looks like a John Grady photo, but I don't know what track Bob would have run at that John would have been taking photos at???  



Return-To-Index  
 
Msg ID: 2837414 I'm sorry Joe.... +0/-0     
Author:Steve Cameron
1/11/2025 6:01:13 PM

Reply to: 2837413

I meant to post the embedded copy. There's no info on the photo, but I remembered buying it from John Grady at Motorsports many years ago.



Return-To-Index  
 
Msg ID: 2837419 No problem Steve... More on Photographer John Grady +0/-0     
Author:3-Wide
1/11/2025 6:27:39 PM

Reply to: 2837414

No problem Steve.  It looked like a John Grady image, which I was kind of surprised since most of his images were from upstate NY.  (I embedded the picture of the #89, and re-posted it into your post.)


Quick John Grady story....  Probably about 20 years ago, I was at a Motorsports Show...Might even have been when the show was held in Fort Washington for anyone who remembers back then, and the website had been up for a year or so (?)....  I wondered over to John Grady's Photo Display and was admiring his photos that he had displayed on boards for people top look at/purchase.  I think I was a Field Instructor for Canon USA at the time and he told me that he was a teacher (instructor) for many, many years, so between the instructor thing... and the photography thing (Canon) there was plenty to talk about.  We got talking more and more, and then got back focused on the pictures and I noticed that many were from NY state, but that there were a few that I recognized as also having run at Flemington/other that I was more familiar with...

The next thing I knew, John starts pulling pictures off of his display board, and handing them to me, and saying, "Here's one to put on your site," followed by a sentence or two about the driver...or about his memory of taking that particular picture, followed by, "Here's another to put on your site...,etc.,."  By the time he was done, I think he had handed me at least 8 - 10 photos, and a brief story to go with each!

John was a great... (let me be clear)... A GREAT story teller...., one of my favorite people who I have been fortunate to have gotten to meet because of this site.  



Return-To-Index  
 
Msg ID: 2837390 Kenny Weld and... (NT) +0/-0     
Author:elf30
1/11/2025 12:05:51 PM

Reply to: 2837361


Return-To-Index  
 
Msg ID: 2837394 2nd time around +0/-0     
Author:Pee Wee Fan
1/11/2025 12:35:03 PM

Reply to: 2837390

Another Bobby Rossell creation, the red coupe #4 shown in the Nazareth section of 3Wide's "Forever Young" section was sold to Pee Wee Griffin.  There is a photo of this #72 on page 58 of the 60s section.  I recall that both Bobby and Pee Wee had moderate success with this car.  It served mostly as a backup for Pee Wee.  Scott Ely

P.S.  I think they are a ton of other cars that can be named in this post.  If you're not sure that a certain hot rod qualifies as a "2nd timer", research 3Wide's photos.  Bet you'll find a ton of em!

 



Return-To-Index  
 
Msg ID: 2837399 Kenny Weld 29 & Jeff Hoetzler J-17  +0/-0     
Author:D.Wolfe-358
1/11/2025 1:17:59 PM

Reply to: 2837394

The original Weld car had the longest racing life of all the Weld Cars. It won multiple features and the Small Block Modified Championship at OCFS with the Jeffer behind the wheel.  The car was updated multiple times and even had a Coupe body installed till DIRT changed the body rules. Jimmy Horton and Kevin Collins, Gary Balough, and others also ran the car for different owners. 

J-17 weld car  Coupe Version

https://www.3widespicturevault.com/Weld_PICS&VITALSs/K12.06.14_029_WEL_UNK_0074WELD_3.htm

https://www.3widespicturevault.com/Weld_PICS&VITALSs/L12.06.15_003_HOR_SYR_0077WELD_1.htm

http://www.3widespicturevault.com/Weld_PICS&VITALSs/K11.25.14_002_COL_NAZ_0080WELD_1.htm



Return-To-Index  
 
Msg ID: 2837403 This Weekend's Question: The Second Time Around.... +0/-0     
Author:AF IV
1/11/2025 2:07:24 PM

Reply to: 2837361

Egge/Hildebrandt Pink #9 became the Maroon & White 73 and became the 73 Sportsman car for you know who. This Whip Mulligan car won in every paint job it had. The body was updated a few times but the frame and suspension were always true to original build.



Return-To-Index  
 
Msg ID: 2837406 This Weekend's Question: The Second Time Around.... +0/-0     
Author:Sprint93
1/11/2025 2:14:31 PM

Reply to: 2837403

Herb Vail blue #7 modified driven by Dizzy Dean Renfro and Ron Dunstan, became Mark Lenhart dark blue #47 sportsman car.  Car was painted dark blue because that was the color of the Chevy pick up that Mark bought to tow the car with.



Return-To-Index  
 

Msg ID: 2837435 This Weekend's Question: The Second Time Around.... +0/-0     
Author:Dirtmod#9.
1/12/2025 9:49:47 AM

Reply to: 2837406

The Walt Donald #327 also driven by Al Tasnady as the #327 and the Piscopo #39.  Next by Ray Neary and Oliver Butler as the Menschner #21.



Return-To-Index  
 
Msg ID: 2837439 This Weekend's Question: The Second Time Around.... +0/-0     
Author:Dirtmod#9.
1/12/2025 10:05:04 AM

Reply to: 2837361
Wasn't there a black #50 36 Chevy coupe raced in Maryland,that was raced as a gray primer 50 and later as a red and white #2 with some success by Frankie Schneider?


Return-To-Index  
 
Msg ID: 2837440 This Weekend's Question: The Second Time Around.... +0/-0     
Author:Dirtmod#9.
1/12/2025 10:16:02 AM

Reply to: 2837439

The white Bentley Warren #44 later raced by Don Diffendorf as a white #26 & red, white, and blue S-360.



Return-To-Index  
 
Msg ID: 2837494 This Weekend's Question: The Second Time Around.... +0/-0     
Author:B Foder
1/12/2025 8:58:31 PM

Reply to: 2837440
Bill Brian keystone pretzel 16 driven by Gary Gollab.Later became the lotto express 41 driven by Billy Pauch.


Return-To-Index  
 
Msg ID: 2837506 This Weekend's Question: The Second Time Around.... +0/-0     
Author:RuCu
1/13/2025 9:20:35 AM

Reply to: 2837494

Don Kania's Rookie Sportsman coupe was an ex Buzzie Reutiman car.  I have a vague memory of Don wrecking the car at Flemington one time when I was sitting right next to his brother Scott,



Return-To-Index  
 
Msg ID: 2837631 This Weekend's Question: The Second Time Around.... +0/-0     
Author:Pee Wee Fan
1/14/2025 3:06:07 PM

Reply to: 2837506

The Jim Fodor 13, first driven by Sammy Beavers (60s section, page 2) became the 19 A driven by Larry Bowers (60s section, page 5).  Scott Ely



Return-To-Index  
 
Msg ID: 2837633 This Weekend's Question: The Second Time Around.... +0/-0     
Author:Pee Wee Fan
1/14/2025 3:14:21 PM

Reply to: 2837631

Preet sure the Joe Kelly driven #87 (60s section, 22) became the #98 of Beader Kennedy (Gettin' There section, page 4).  This is the car that Beader Kennedy lost his life in. Scott Ely



Return-To-Index  
 
Msg ID: 2837762 This Weekend's Question: The Second Time Around.... +0/-0     
Author:redfred
1/16/2025 6:32:11 PM

Reply to: 2837361

A couple of the A cars that had success with Larry Kline became winning cars for Donnie Menzel and George Stires.



Return-To-Index