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well i myself and my dad were huge herk fans - at usac sprint races and anything at langhorne so 1day after he was qualifing for the roc modified race i said to my dad lets go down the street to scrappys auto body [heibers own that hence garys number 56 ] cause thats where jim would hang out - so we did and he stuck his hand out to shake mine and it was deformed from the fire well i must have had agoofy look on my face as i was stairing at his hand - he said its ok i wont hurt you, we both laughed - what a great man and what a great experience i had that day- awsome !