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Joe, I was at flemington in the pits one night in 1970 and Dick Havens came in off the race track and he was saying to georgr taylor jr while still sitting in the race car there was a shock bad ...Geroge asked him how did he know that and Dick said all the cigars vibrated out of his top pocket...Dick turned to me and said Fred you know what i mean... i said to George jr belive him and check it out....low and behold they found a shock bad..Dick was such a great driver and knew the feel of the race car.